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>"The National Museum of African American History & Culture wants to make you aware of certain signs of whiteness: Individualism, hard work, objectivity, the nuclear family, progress, respect for authority, delayed gratification, more."Oh, and emphasis on scientific methods.

What does that say about the life works of Frederick Douglass, Booker T Washington, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.?


Isn't it obvious? "They were acting white."


I'm more concerned with what that implies about the content of their character, rather than color


>alternative that does the work of collective discovery.

The library



By buying a subscription to the Times for its patrons?


Studying human history and philosophy provides much greater insights into human affairs than reading click bait or partisan propaganda


>How do I tell the difference between an honest citizen journalist, a propagandist, a liar, a lunatic, or a troll?

Critical thinking skills, independent research, and open dialogue


> Critical thinking skills

A lot of people stay at the dunning-Kruger peak on that for a very long time and over-evaluate their (i for sure did for several years at least).

> independent research

Those who have the time to do this for half the semi-important issues in the world are lucky(like most of of on HN i think). And i started 2 month ago informing myself about climate change and what does it mean to stop using oil, i did not have any time for myself between that and work until recently. Research takes a long, long time if you wnat to do it well. I'm still not certain about anything.

> open dialogue Yes if it mean what i think, this is very helpful. Paper journal used to offer opportunities for that.


Yep, it's definitely not easy. Nothing worth doing is.

Many prefer poisonous fast food to a healthy home cooked meal, just as many prefer to read twitter comments and click bait than to read a book


> I'm still not certain about anything.

You captured a facet of climate change I feel few can properly articulate. Modeling and digesting complex systems is incredibly difficult and at this point I share the same position.

It seems to be we have no clue how severe the impacts of climate change will be but based on gut feelings we are in for the same problem as technology development.

> We tend to overestimate the effect of a technology in the short run and underestimate the effect in the long run.[0]

[0](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Amara)


Maybe if there weren't already countless other supporting, self-evident examples in recent history


You're assuming a false dichotomy in which one obscurely defined group is subjectively deemed to be marginally better than the other excuses the synergistic absurdity of both


Not surprising considering the extreme consolidation of mass media corporations over the past 50 years.


The irony is inherent in the ideology. This is just one of many examples of that irony on full public display, cannibalizing itself.


>it would be VERY hard to convince me that they have done it at the same level of concerted effort.

What exactly would it take to convince you of that?


Examples of coordinated liberal messaging based on hate and fear that has had a large impact on social discourse.

Note: Safe spaces, affirmative action, etc do not apply for me personally. While they have at times gone off the rails, they are based on inclusiveness, not hate and fear.


How many examples would it take to convince you?

And do you think it's possible for humans to claim they are driven by altruistic, while actually being primarily hateful, deceitful, divisive, and destructive?


> How many examples would it take to convince you?

Hundreds, at least. It's been a consistent conservative tactic for decades, to the point where it is unremarkable. Unremarkable does not mean acceptable. See also Trump's lies. Trump lies so often that it's not worth noting each instance.

> And do you think it's possible for humans to claim they are being altruistic or inclusive, while actually being primarily hateful, deceitful, and destructive?

Sure, and it's also possible to sea lion a discussion while claiming to be reasonable. http://wondermark.com/1k62/

I judge that based on outcome and intent.


As a thought experiment: are there any examples that you can personally think of where self proclaimed liberals used hate and fear to shape public discourse?


I would characterize the current liberal consensus on race issues to be something like:

* There's no activity that's safe from racism. Whether you're participating in a hobby, doing your job, or just hanging out with friends, you've gotta keep yourself worried that there might be racism hiding in the corner.

* Racism is almost never benign. If you notice even mild racism, you'd better confront it, because it might be a cover for virulent racists who want to hurt you.

Do you think that's unfair?


Why doesn't the state also mandate exercise, diet, and sleep?


This is such a silly response. Did you have the same compelling argument when mandatory seatbelt laws went into effect?


What's silly, precisely? Seat belts are cool, so no, you're wrong.

Homemade masks (as opposed to N95) and handkerchiefs are only marginally effective against reducing transmission. Having a strong immune system is a scientifically proven way to reduce your health risk significantly.

What is silly is all the people who are content to do the absolute bare minimum, easiest possible thing to attempt to protect people's health: merely putting a piece of cloth on their face; while at the same time neglecting to put in the work to improve their overall health, and thus their risk to others of spreading the virus.


States have existing laws about controlling diseases.

      https://www.ncsl.org/research/health/state-quarantine-and-isolation-statutes.aspx
If you want to advocate for additional science based health laws, go ahead.


Because lack of those generally doesn't harm others.

And, you can be charged with things caused by lack of sleep--reckless driving, for instance.

However, there is a difference between fining someone for lack of compliance and jailing someone for lack of compliance. Jailing someone in the middle of a pandemic is stupid.


>18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.

Adding critical context: Nearly half of americans are obese and/or have heart disease, and ~650,000 are killed by it each year.

How much lower would all those numbers be if americans simply exercised and ate healthy on a regular basis?


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