Oh I agree about SA. They are not fully our allies and they aren't fully our enemies. I linked the article mainly to illustrate that things are not so clean cut. I just constantly see "9/11 hijackers" parroted with no other considerations of the ramifications of a SA ban and what it would mean for us.

My primary goal right now in these discussions is to expand the minds of the people on HN who seem to be overly myopic. These are complicated topics that have many moving parts.