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You posted multiple flamewar comments in this thread. Can you please not do that? We're trying for something different here, and you can make your substantive points without it.

Comments like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27212899 are particularly bad. Please don't do that on HN—it destroys this place for its intended purpose, which is simply to have an interesting forum on the internet that hopefully doesn't suck.

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Ok understood


It costs them more to serve these resources to you. They're not obligated to deal with customers whose use of the resources goes beyond the ordinary or regular.


Charge appropriately


If you don't like their service simply don't use it? Why should anybody be expected to cater to you instead of someone else?


I’m speaking generally about this move. I absolutely don’t use their shit service.

Look, I don’t know what’s so hard here. If you sell cloud compute it should be on the basis of usage. If that usage is 100% then charge aptly.


It's their business and they can do what they want. Why is it hard for you to understand that your opinion is not authoritative? You can hate their business just as much as they can hate your patronage.


I absolutely agree!

Just don’t market yourself as an open and non limited compute resource charged by usage.

Market yourself as a QOS’d, shaped sub service.


Show me a single cloud provider who charges per CPU-second or CPU-minute, per GB of RAM, and per GB of disk.


Smart business decisions driven by profit considerations are virtue signaling now I guess?


I guess being anti-crypto is virtue signaling now. Guess that means we're at the turning point where crypto isn't this cool magic money thing anymore now that the harsh light of day is being shone on the industry.

Or, I think more likely, is that the parent can't actually form a cohesive argument and is part of a group of people for whom the term "virtue signaling" has become synonymous with "bad" but is used to try carry more intellectual weight than it actually does.


Only a moron would cloud mine crypto.

This is bad for a single reason. It creates apartheid based on compute purpose.

If you can’t figure that out yourself that’s ok. I’m sure you’ll be ok. You seem to know some really big words already.


They have forbidden crypto mining on their cloud services (i.e. shared cpu hardware) since it started, but until recently they allowed it on dedicated servers. Stopping it now seems to be a result of Chia having a real impact on their equipment availability and longevity. Chia has apparently also driven up the street price of large HDD's by a significant amount, 30% according to a forum post I saw.


I'm a happy customer for their reasonable prices. If the prices require banning extreme cost outliers like crypto mining I'm okay with that.


Great hopefully you never need a compute resource they consider an outlier.


Do you take the same attitude to a rented apartment? A hotel room? Build your own datacenter if you want to own it.


If I was told that I get 1300sq ft to live in, and then got in trouble or kicked out for using all of it, I'd be pretty pissed off.


There are plenty of things that you cannot do in an apartment. If it's a building with multiple tenants, you'll be forbidden from doing stuff that's an unnecessary disturbance to other tenants. But even apart from that, there are physical limitations. For example, many apartment buildings forbid large aquariums because the building is not designed to handle the uneven load distribution.


Look, this argument basically just boils down to "businesses can't fire customers for whom it doesn't make financial, operational, or reputational sense to serve." And like sure that sounds good except that we currently take the opposite stance by having protected classes. They are the single carve-out exception for the general idea that you can otherwise fire your customers for any reason you see fit.


Interesting point.

I’m not looking for crypto to be protected.

I’m looking for all compute classes to be treated equally.

Overriding this, a company should absolutely have the right to offload a customer.

That said, don’t then market yourself as general purpose computing in the cloud.

If I pay for xCPU @ xHz with yRAM I don’t want to have you then tell me what I can do with it. Just charge me aptly for my use.

Tbf I wouldn’t like to think they’d even know what I’m doing. Privacy should be ok.


All compute classes have never been treated equally though. If I open an AWS account and launch dozens of instances and DDoS other customers / locations on the internet AWS will terminate my account and shut everything down. The provider always has discretion on whatever it really wants to provide service to you or not.


It’s a fair point.

Folks need to wake up to the fact that if we all end up relying on 3 cloud providers, we also end up having to live with their discretion regarding what is acceptable / moral use.

Also, this isn’t really the same as a DDOS, this is localised computation effectively. Running a hash function.


We are talking mostly about Chia, which destroys hardware, unlike computational applications.


This whole chia thing is new to me but i have terabytes of unused space on usb connected disks to my pc. Sounds like I won’t meet criteria?


> Tbf I wouldn’t like to think they’d even know what I’m doing. Privacy should be ok.

that would be my biggest concern. how are they deciding what i'm doing, and what happens when my usage pattern triggers their magical detection?

am i booted immediately? do i get a useful number of business days to say "nope, i'm actually doing something else entirely!" and they leave it at that? or do i have to somehow "prove" what computations i'm going to run before i do so?

it's well and good to let them have whatever ToS they want, and that's certainly the direction i lean in, but enforcement of some ToS can imply concerning things.


You do get abuse notices that you have to respond to before your server gets isolated from the Internet. If you don't, you can request unblocking later from support staff.


I don't fault a company for not wanting to waste compute cycles, that could otherwise be doing useful work, on crap like crypto mining.


To be clear I don’t mine crypto.

That said I think your view is short sighted.

“Crap” may turn out to be useful. Have you noticed the US debt ceiling?


Mining is not general purpose.


> If I pay for data centre resources

The biggest reason it's banned is credit card fraud.


Hetzner have always been picky about who they allow as customers, and I can't even blame them for it.




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