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Wasn't the No-Fly list originally just for terrorism? Once again... expanding scope.


this is why you cannot expand power without giving a time limit to it - emergency powers are meant for emergencies only. An emergency must have an end, otherwise it's not an emergency!


My state (Washington) just hit its 700th day of the state of emergency as declared by the governor. This gives him the ability to do just about anything, so he's refusing to let it go.

Welcome to day 701 of 14 days to flatten the curve!


> This gives him the ability to do just about anything, so he's refusing to let it go.

Interesting, the state of emergency powers seem to be listed in https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=43.06.220 and https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=43.06.225, and the governor appears to be using fairly few of them. In fact, I don't think the Inslee is currently using any of the powers under section one of that statute. And even if he were, they certainly don't amount to the "ability to do just about anything", unless "anything" is prohibiting outdoor demonstrations.

And even those powers are subject to judicial oversight.


At some point the courts are going to have to step in on these things.


In some states the legislatures are... but not all.


Well there is still a pandemic happening which could be another argument for still having the state of emergency but I'm sure it's only because the governor doesn't want to give up his power.


And what tyrannical machinations has your ‘King Inslee’ wrought upon you?


Is this a joke? Because he has certainly used the power granted to him.


I see he has used the powers, I genuinely want to understand people who think that he has abused them. I’m easily able to get the idea that excessive executive power is dangerous. I’m struggling to see his particular policies have overreached, outside of the bounds of managing COVID-19 effectively. I pay close attention to infection numbers and the effect of policy on them, and I’m pleased to be in a state that’s been in the 40’s/50 in infections and deaths. If executive power is run amok I would be worried about cronyism, corruption, punishing political adversaries, and using state powers to inflict violence. I want to know if that is happening without me knowing it. I perceive that right-wing persecution fantasy has been overindulged here, and has dismissed the reality of the pandemic. Teach me.


Benevolent dictators are still a bad thing, even if you agree with 100% of their policies.

Precedent matters. And the precedent now is a governor can restrict vital freedoms (movement, congregation, commerce, religion, expression, etc.) for several years without restriction so long as he or she is of the same party controlling the legislature and courts.

This is a lesson learned over and over again by the parties. They are ok with massive overreach when their guy does it, but then suddenly learn to take umbrage the moment they lose power.

Thankfully some Democrats in Washington State recognize this and have introduced limits on his power to 90 days without congressional approval.


No emergency power should extend beyond the next legislative session.

Emergency powers should be a stop gap only until lawmakers can meet, at which point every emergency rule expires and cannot be reinstated without lawmaker approval.

No more of these open ended blessed dictatorships.


Bills like Patriot Act do have to be re-authorized, and it actually expired in 2020 because Trump threatened to veto. Weirdly, nobody seems to know this, and it seems to be continuing in zombie form, because banks and other institutions still have paperwork citing the Patriot Act. So it’s not enough to require time limits or re-authorization. These bills need built-in self-destruction mechanisms to be rolled back.


When it comes to government, there's almost no such thing as temporary or emergency power.


Time limits won't be as effective.

People get used to it, and they become indifferent to it. They will vote to extend those limits...


According to the article Delta is asking for a new list, and a list of people convicted of crimes and not merely suspected or something. It's pretty different than the terrorism no-fly list.


Domestic terrorism is a thing.


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That's not the point. We gave the government power for a very specific reason, and now that power is being overextended for a use it was never intended.


Including journalists and thorns in the side of govt. Well documented, but not promulgated by mass media.


Welcome to why many have expressed concerns on covid vaccine mandates.


Requiring people to vaccinate is a power that’s been granted to governments for 100 years by the US supreme court. It is a very long-standing precedent, for extremely good reason.


Which governments have the power to require vaccinations?


State governments.

>A state may enact a compulsory vaccination law, since the legislature has the discretion to decide whether vaccination is the best way to prevent smallpox and protect public health.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905)

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/197/11/


Except vaccine mandates are nothing new?


Neither is abuse of powers implemented in the heat or passions of a crisis...

Yet nevertheless, both still persist.


But they are. I don't remember not being able to go somewhere and eat or work in government.

Never has anyone asked or mandated a vaccine for employment for any place I've worked.

You can't fly, take a train without them. That's new.. very new.


What an interesting perspective. I've never heard about people who determine the validity of laws based on their ability to remember them. How did you arrive at this way of thinking?


I take it you never worked in childcare?


Yeah, and? It's one thing to ban someone from a specific occupation, and another to ban someone from all/most jobs.


I worked as a councillor in a at risk youth rec center. Formal position with required Police check and lengthy interview process. No vaccine question or requirement.


George Washington required immunization of all his forces against smallpox.

That was in 1777. Look it up.

It's not new. Please do at least five seconds of googling before making this assertion in public again.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/08/states-have...


And the us military also gave their soldiers Benzedrine (Amphetamine) during ww2. Your point?


The US military has forced many drugs on their employees. I do not doubt some vaccines are required and they will do it for you on.

Preventing a retired person who hasn't agreed to give away rights from eating food is not the same.



That's true and a barrier. But my comment was limited to activities you couldn't do before to a number of things like flying or eating anywhere.


terrorists and misbehaving citizens are different - the citizen isn't doing it for a political purpose, while terrorists are.

it's better to have a separate category for such citizens - nuisance passengers - and allow the airline to charge extra if you're on the list...or pay to get off it.


> terrorists and misbehaving citizens are different - the citizen isn't doing it for a political purpose, while terrorists are.

There are plenty of US citizens that are motivated by politics to be violent on planes and either not care about hurting others, or deliberately hurt others.


definitely agreed. in the US in particular


I don’t even understand your metrics




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