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Apologies if you felt shitted on, but I do believe that you are inventing straw men pressure groups and ignoring the fact that there might be a legitimate organic movement. So I am, in fact, making my case.

> It's a few [...] musicians making a negative publicity fuss

One thing I'd like to add on this point is that this kind of negative publicity fuss, raised by musicians, can be incredibly powerful. If you aren't familiar with the work and impact of Neil Young, especially songs like "Southern Man" and "Alabama," I encourage you to consider his work.

His music likely opened some eyes in the 70s while the American South was still gripped in racist fervor (as someone who grew up in the south, I too was impacted by these songs when I encountered them in the early 2000s). Musicians have the power to influence public opinion. That public opinion is influenced by them does not imply that all influence is the result of a greater agenda.



"If you aren't familiar with the work and impact of Neil Young"

What I find hilarious is the number of folks of a, certain political persuasion (the fact a public health issue is politicized is absolutely nuts), have deemed Neil Young and Joni Mitchell as irrelevant dinosaurs from an artistic perspective. Some even going so far as to say their historical importance is of a mere footnote.

Of course the firestorm their actions caused in the public discourse on this issue has shown their voice matters quite a bit.


>Of course the firestorm their actions caused in the public discourse on this issue has shown their voice matters quite a bit.

Media pundits and organizations can always blow up and enlarge the issues raised by some artists that they agree with to further a cause they'd advocate for anyway.

Doesnt mean the artists are relevant in 2022 pop culture - or that if they had said something different (with no eager pundits to push it) they would been also listened to.

In fact, Neil Young for one, has been laughed at (by the same media) several times in past 1-2 decades, for his "out of touch" tirades against compressed musid, his bizarro Pono music player business, and so on.


>pressure groups and ignoring the fact that there might be a legitimate organic movement.

Pressure groups can be organic too.

They just aren't just "individuals" -- and their influence is not the same as consumer choice to listen or not to the podcast (and thus relegate it to unprofitable).


To repeat the question that person asked: when does an organic movement to apply pressure become a "pressure group organic movement"?

When do their actions, in your eyes, cease to be ordinary "vote with your wallet" market interaction?


>When do their actions, in your eyes, cease to be ordinary "vote with your wallet" market interaction?

Doesn't the act organization itself change it from a "vote with your wallet" (as an independent customer) to propagandizing and promoting your ideas to others on what they should buy?

When it comes to companies working like that, people call it a "cartel".

Also, isn't there a difference between movement organized and advocated "don't buy Spotify" versus group dictated Spotify what to sell?

In the second case Spotify caved because of the pressure/threat, not because the product wasn't selling.

It might still be a market decision (in the sense of it being an economic consideration of Spotify's behalf, as the ultimate threat was to their image and ultimately bottom line) but it wasn't a free market decision as in consumers signalling worth of a product with their purchases or lack thereof.


What you're describing is how "vote with your wallet" works when the number of people voting exceeds 1.

Like, what exactly is it do you think they are coordinating, other than individually choosing to vote with their wallets for similar reasons?

>It might still be a market decision (in the sense of it being an economic consideration of Spotify's behalf, as the ultimate threat was to their image and ultimately bottom line) but it wasn't a free market decision

What you're describing, making business decisions based on weighing the economic costs of losing customers vs. the economic benefits of keeping the content, is indeed a free market decision. The fact that there are no options that make everybody happy doesn't negate that.




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