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This doesn't seem like forced speech at all. Having to recite the Pledge of Allegiance (as I did, or felt like I did) is forced speech. Asking a question as part of an application isn't forcing any specific speech in response.

"I think many DEI initiatives are treating a symptom of a genuine problem in society and think that striving to treat every individual in a fair manner and ensuring they feel included in my lab is the best way to ensure that all individuals can best succeed and best contribute to society." is an answer a candidate could freely speak/write.



That answer would get the candidate immediately rejected.


Depends on the college. At other colleges, refusing to identify as a conservative Christian would get the candidate immediately rejected.


> Depends on the college.

Not really. The only colleges that wouldn't immediately reject a candidate who said something like that also wouldn't have demanded a DEI statement in the first place.

> At other colleges, refusing to identify as a conservative Christian would get the candidate immediately rejected.

Other than a seminary, can you give a specific example of one?


Serious question: how many on-site interviews have you had at conservative christian colleges? Could it be that the mass media outrage machine -- this is the third or fourth article on this topic in a major outlet in the past week -- is masking what you might otherwise recognize as a blindspot in your personal knowledge?

> Not really. The only colleges that wouldn't immediately reject a candidate who said something like that also wouldn't have demanded a DEI statement in the first place.

Nonsense. Many -- I think the majority -- of conservative religious people aren't anti-diversity, anti-equality, or anti-inclusion, even if they're anti-"DEI". And their institutions aren't just conservative talk radio echo chambers. Lots of thoughtful people are conservative and have a multitude of complex viewpoints. Intellectual/nuanced conservatism is over-represented at places like colleges and universities, as you might imagine.

Religiously affiliated institutions often ask about DEI topics at some point in the interview process; sometimes they ask to include discussion in your faith statement, other times they ask in person, and I've seen at least on place ask for both a faith statement and a DEI statement.

The answer above would work very well at those institutions.

> Other than a seminary, can you give a specific example of one?

It's common enough that the CUNY Graduate School includes special instructions for folks who are applying to those jobs. They also mention specific examples of institutions and letter requests in that article: https://careerplan.commons.gc.cuny.edu/blog/religious-statem...

Tons of small religiously-affiliated liberal arts colleges require the Conservative Loyalty Oath equivalent of a DEI statement. Still others use Faith Statements responsibly, the same way some responsible universities use DEI statements.


The pledge of allegiance is idiotic forced speech, but it’s also meaninglessly anodyne.

DEI statements have right and wrong answers, and giving the wrong answer will disqualify you from a job, and ultimately, filter anyone who disagrees out of the academy entirely.

That’s very dangerous forced speech.

Your example, by the way, would score very low as a DEI statement.


As as student you do not need to state the pledge of allegiance. This case went all the way to the Supreme Court, and the court ruled that students do not have to do it as it's compelled speech. Notable this ruling was made even though the US was in the middle of WWII: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of...


>Your example, by the way, would score very low as a DEI statement.

I would like to see some examples of DEI statements and what scores they received.


Free speech that has consequences is not the same as forced speech or a lack of free speech.


In terms of what the Constitution and the law protect, the source of the consequences does matter.

The First Amendment places broad constraints on the government's ability to impose consequences, and several laws place far narrower constraints on private individuals and privately-owned corporations.

(I personally think "speech with consequences" isn't really 'free', but it's legally free in the sense people mean when they're talking about the First Amendment, and some kind of constraint against any consequences for speech whatsoever would be a massive imposition upon individual liberty. Turns out "we live in a society" and by the nature of that existence, one can't just say and do whatever and expect no response from others. If that's how it worked, we'd just be "full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing").




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