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> My kids happen to be white, heterosexual males, they should not be vilified for it and that's the route I see so many pushing for.

This statement seems incredibly hyperbolic. Do you believe that DEI statements are simply "how intersectionally oppressed are you"? Have you had to answer any of these yourself? What were the exact questions?



Friend my current jobs mandatory training stated that if I try to help a person that happens to be a minority and they yell at me and berate me for assisting them that I must not argue back and should "sit there in my shame".

That's really all I need to know. While I have much deeper opinions on the topic, I'm fine just stopping there, I don't want my kids to live in a world where that sort of instruction is the norm.


Well friend, you appear to be working in an aggressively progressive company because I currently work in government and have friends who work in academia and have never heard of anything even close to the likes of that. I think it's possible you're (intentionally or not) misunderstanding their message.


I can assure you that what I posted is word for word what it said. Pretty hard to misunderstand. I work at a fortune 500 company.


I work in FAANG, and they just this year added a new category to yearly performance reviews for inclusion and diversity. So now our promotions and raises are tied not only to the quality of code we write and how much we help our team's productivity, but also to how much we helped non-white people get hired on the team. I also have an inclusion training every 6 months that sounds very similar to yours.


I don't understand why coders are supposed to be helping HR hire people. That seems like they've messed up job assignments or training with their push for diversity.


What does diversity have to do with the use of technical interviewers?


They tell you that if you're being berated by an upset minority colleague you should "sit there in {your} shame"?


You are going to focus on whether or not his trainings use the exact terminology as mine when all he said was "similar" and just skip over " how much we helped non-white people get hired on the team"? This is outright racial discrimination and should be illegal. His complaint is even more egregious than mine.


Well yes friend, because as presented the accusations seem almost farcical, and to me seem like the result of some misunderstanding, intentional or not. I'm trying to focus on a single topic instead of looking for ways to get further incensed.


"the accusations seem almost farcical" Exactly! Yet they are the real lived experience we have to comply with in order to keep the jobs that provide the salary we use to feed our kids. That's why we are so against DEI as it stands today.


No kidding. I think most anti-woke folks have a hilariously inaccurate mental model of academia.

On more than one occasion I heard professors in our department talking about the boobs and asses of female undergraduate and graduate students, make weird remarks about homosexual faculty, and even one comment about how black people don't enjoy math anyways.

I think a lot of the super weird stuff is not so much that academia is radically free-speech or anything and more just that professors stay around until they're 80 and 80 year olds say crazy shit.

But, anyways, a lot of faculty/grad student lounges/offices would make your average anti-woke corporate worker bee blush.




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