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Even the poorest people have a state ID or drivers license. You cannot get most jobs without some legal ID.


Nearly 21 million voting-age U.S. citizens do not have a current (non-expired) driver’s license. Just under 9%, or 20.76 million people, who are U.S. citizens aged 18 or older do not have a non-expired driver’s license. Another 12% (28.6 million) have a non-expired license, but it does not have both their current address and current name.

Additionally, just over 1% of adult U.S. citizens do not have any form of government-issued photo identification, which amounts to nearly 2.6 million people.[1]

[1] https://cdce.umd.edu/sites/cdce.umd.edu/files/pubs/Voter%20I...


If 10% of drivers lacked car insurance, would your solution be to remove the legal requirement to possess a valid insurance policy to operate a motor vehicle because it discriminates against the poor?


The poor have a right to vote, while they don't have a right to operate a motor vehicle. We can debate over how disenfranchising it is to be unable to drive in the US (very), but the law makes a pretty clear distinction between these two activities.


No. Because operating a motor vehicle is a very dangerous activity.

This a very is a poor analogy that you have here.


Nobody ever voted someone dangerous into power? Was voting for Hitler a harmless act?


And voter ID will fix this?


Does mandatory auto insurance prevent accidents from happening? If not, should we get rid of it?


No, but it does mitigate the damage... where are we in this analogy anymore? :laughing:


You just answered your own question. Voter ID won't solve all the problems with illegitimate votes being cast, but it will mitigate the damage.


Except that it will cause far more damage than it mitigates.


Does disenfranchising felons cause damage? What is the nature of the damage? Can it be quantified in any way?


In many states these are available without proof of citizenship. When people say proof of citizenship they usually mean a passport or REALID.


Most state-issued Real IDs don't count as proof of citizenship under the SAVE Act.

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/will-save-act-allo...


Under the SAVE act, you kind of have to have a passport or don't vote in some states.

Which is why I'm pretty sure it's not gonna pass. Both republicans and democrats depend heavily on mass votes from, let's just say, a lot of people who are, generally speaking, not the sort to have passports.


In the US, a driver license isn't a proof of citizenship. Also, state IDs are not accepted by federal agencies, so it probably wouldn't work as proof of citizenship on federal elections.


There really are not federal elections. We call them that, but they are state elections for federal office.


Federal elections are all run by the individual states, so a state ID would be all you need.


If there is a federal law requiring proof of citizenship, as is currently being argued in Congress, a state ID would not be all you need since they are not proof of citizenship.




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