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This is a great idea, and is especially pertinent to Mac fans who care about the hardware they are using.

Since Apple does not discount old hardware (even with 2-3 year old video cards, they charge the same amount as a brand new updated mac the very next week[1]), people buying a Macbook pro at the wrong end of the timeline can get totally shafted on equipment, especially from a price-per-performance view.

That feels a little dishonest to me, but most people don't seem to mind, and its not as if the hardware they are selling is ever bad, it will just be twice as good next week, and sold for the exact same price.

So it seems that it is one again one of the worst times to buy a Macbook pro.

[1] I wrote two articles in 2010, one in Feb and one in April, which detailed the times as the worst and best to buy an MBP, comparing prices and hardware. Only really interesting for posterity: http://simonsarris.com/blog/19-mac-envy http://simonsarris.com/blog/22-mac-envy-2



They've discounted several different models, iMacs, Macbook Airs, and just recently, their line of Retina Macbook Pros. Heck, even their very competitive iPhones (once that I can recall) and iPads. So you'd be incorrect.


If you want truly awful bang-for-buck, try the Mac Pro, it's hilariously overpriced for such an old machine. The CPU had to be swapped out because Intel stopped making the original ones.


On gazelle my Mac Pro (which is basically identical to the top of the line one you can buy now), gets you about ~$550. In other words, no one should be buying this thing new.


If you have foolishly built a Mac app that does any kind of number crunching, your choices are the newest Mac Pro at whatever absurd price Apple asks or breaking the law with a hackintosh.

Apple has been making moves that look like abandoning the Mac Pro for a while now. It's been three years where the only upgrade has been a chip update forced on them because Intel stopped making the old ones.

If you're thinking of making a video processing app or scientific computing app or any other app that really likes a lot of CPU you should plan your Mac version with a generic unix back end and communicate over the network. Apple is not supporting the market, anymore.

I guess that applies to anyone who wants something other than a phone or tablet. Unfortunately all the other manufacturers have abandoned the mid-range desktop and laptop PC markets even more thoroughly than Apple. I'm still amazed no one else but Apple sold a laptop with an acceptable screen at all for four straight years until 2012.


You might actually be better off getting a Mac Mini or Macbook Pro Retina for those apps, unless they are GPU or RAM bound. If I recall correctly, both these machines outperform the Mac Pro in terms of CPU now.


Does anyone have an explanation for this puzzling neglect of the market for "high-end" Mac desktops?


Well, there's going to be a major update of the Mac Pro this year, widely presumed to be something more than a mere upgrade of the internals.

It's difficult to explain the continued use of outdated chips over the past few years, especially after they discontinued the XServe and told everyone to use the Mac Pro instead.

I suppose the Gruber-esque answer is that Apple (especially under Steve Jobs) wants to present an elegant vision of what computing should be, every product a work of art with considerable mass market appeal. The Mac Pro is basically indistinguishable from a bulky 90s tower PC, and very few people actually need it.

It's a decidedly unsexy product. Apple is not Dell or Lenovo, they make very few products and they make a very big deal out of each one of them. The Mac Pro is an unfortunate necessity that they cannot reasonably discontinue. But it's not a product that Apple really wants to make.


Here's my theory. Apple has made its reputation in the 90s with the film/graphics/illustration market, and that's where the Power Mac/Mac Pro was a critical product. Once the switch to Intel was made and laptops started catching up in speed/GPU power, less people needed a fixed tower just for Photoshop/After Effects/Maya, they just put those apps on a laptop. Moreover, the professional market is always smaller than the consumer market, and consumers don't want desktops, so Apple just went where the money is.

They got rid of Xserve and they'll likely get rid of the Mac Pro if demand falls significantly.


A lot of that market has already defected to Windows for the price/performance improvements, except for Final Cut users. If you're running Adobe CS, you don't need a Mac, and Mac OS X has relatively few advantages over Windows 7 for pro work.

The line I hear is "I'd rather be using a Mac, but...."

It's true that Apple tends to fit high-end Core chips in notebooks, but last year's Core i7-3770K still gives you step up in performance over this year's Retina MBP. And for pro users, time is money.


They just discounted the rMBP (and updated the processors mildly). I don't understand what they could possibly update it with further, given that Haswell will not be released for many more months.


Exactly. The sample size here is way too small to make good predictions for most products. Even if you thought you could rely on the yearly cadence for i* devices, bam, Apple releases a fairly substantial iPad upgrade 6 months after the first Retina model.


Haswell will launch much sooner than you expect.


You could also buy a refurbished mac. They tend to be about $300 cheaper than the retail version and tend not to have any problems. I just bought one and so far its been perfect.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac


The outdated hardware often makes the savings not worth it.


I just bought a MBP 15-inch retina display with a 2.3GHz i7, 8 gigs of 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM, 256GB Flash Storage, and a NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M with 1GB of GDDR5 memory. What about that is outdated?


It's not always possible in some countries


this is not a new idea. www.macrumors.com has had this for ages...


I tell everyone, if you want to know if a new MBP is about to come out, ask me if I've bought one in the last couple of weeks. Both MBP's I've bought were followed soon thereafter by a model refresh :|


I see you have the same power as L. Laporte.




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