Women have been the target of systematic oppression for millenia, of which sexual violence has been a primary tool. Are you open to the possibility that that might not be over quite yet? That that might actually be deserving of a little sensitivity?
Men have been the target of systematic oppression for millenia, too, you know.
Throughout all of history, it's men that have been forced to fight and die in wars without any choice in the matter. There's a lot of raping of males that goes on in Africa during their various wars, but any coverage will inevitably focus on women instead (due to funding issues--no one cares about a male rape victim).
Do you think that women in the meanwhile, has been just poor victims?
Don't forget that women are generally way ahead of men in human skills.
Men and women have, their own forms of dominance.
I agree that physical dominance is despicable, but don't think that the forms of dominance were going only in a single direction.
No. This is ludicrous revisionism, and you should be ashamed for saying it.
You do not get to treat a group of people as property for thousands of years, and then when they finally claw a measure of autonomy back from you say, "Well, that about evens the score."
>You do not get to treat a group of people as property for thousands of years
Ignoring the fact that your scenario is absurd hyperbole, and men had things just as shit as women did, the you in question wasn't involved. Nobody in this discussion ever owned a woman. Pretending they committed some horrible crime to justify your prejudice is pathetic.
Ignoring the fact that the status of women as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years...
I don't subscribe to such a convenient ethics, I'm afraid. The enormous power I derive from the society I live in I owe, in good part, to racial slavery, to the genocide of the people who lived where I live now, and, yes, to the systematic oppression of women, all in the name of the very nation I now consider myself a part of. By my privilege, I owe a moral debt to those murdered, enslaved, and terrorized people, and if it cannot be repaid it should at least be atoned for.
I could likewise say that I do not enslave children, while I purchase products made by those who do; but I do not believe that is the path to a better world.
>Ignoring the fact that the status of women as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years
No, it wasn't. You are deliberately conflating the life of some women to that of women period. It would be every bit as absurd and dishonest to claim that "the status of men as property was a literal and legal fact for thousands of years" because some men were slaves.
> By my privilege, I owe a moral debt to those murdered, enslaved, and terrorized people, and if it cannot be repaid it should at least be atoned for.
Yes, I know that your beliefs are hilarious. I am not suggesting that I do not understand them, but rather that they are in fact ridiculous. You can not atone for someone else's actions, and even if you could, being a whiney, hypersensitive bully on the internet is not atoning for anything.
And I understand you don't feel any culpability for evil done by others in your name and for your benefit. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.
What evil was done in my name, or for my benefit? You are deliberately conflating someone incidentally benefiting from something with it being done to benefit them. Your consistent, deliberate dishonesty speaks volumes about your faith in your beliefs.
